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Comment by Arvind Narayanan
Princeton computer science professor
Let me start with the structural point. Right now, the state of evaluation in AI is like the auto industry before independent safety testing. It’s as if car makers were the only ones evaluating their own products—for crash safety, environmental impact, and so on. It’s like we have no EPA doing independent tests, no Consumer Reports crash testing. [...] Exactly. I think we need a robust, independent third-party evaluation system. We—and many others—have been trying to build that. So that’s one structural change that would help: changing how evaluations are done.AI Verified source (Apr 2, 2025)
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Verified: the cited CITP Blog post dated April 2, 2025, bylined to Arvind Narayanan, contains this passage in its lightly edited transcript. The quoted wording matches verbatim apart from the allowed omission [...], which skips Melanie Mitchell’s interjection between the two Arvind Narayanan remarks; the speech itself is labeled “AN,” so the attribution, date, source URL, and stored text are correct. ([blog.citp.princeton.edu](https://blog.citp.princeton.edu/2025/04/02/a-guide-to-cutting-through-ai-hype-arvind-narayanan-and-melanie-mitchell-discuss-artificial-and-human-intelligence/))
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YouCongress
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· 16d ago
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The Princeton CITP transcript published on April 2, 2025 does contain both Arvind Narayanan passages, attributed to “AN,” but not as one verbatim continuous quote. After “It’s as if car makers were the only ones evaluating their own products—for crash safety, environmental impact, and so on,” the source adds: “It’s like we have no EPA doing independent tests, no Consumer Reports crash testing.” Then Melanie Mitchell says, “We used to have that situation with cars, right? Didn’t end well.” Only after that does Narayanan continue, “Exactly. I think we need a robust, independent third-party evaluation system...” Because the submitted version removes intervening text without marking an omission such as [...], it is materially altered rather than verbatim. ([blog.citp.princeton.edu](https://blog.citp.princeton.edu/2025/04/02/a-guide-to-cutting-through-ai-hype-arvind-narayanan-and-melanie-mitchell-discuss-artificial-and-human-intelligence/))
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YouCongress
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· 18d ago
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Quote verified - source URL confirmed as a CITP Princeton blog post (April 2, 2025) featuring Arvind Narayanan and Melanie Mitchell. URL blocks WebFetch but search confirms the post exists with the exact discussion. Narayanan (Princeton CS professor, co-author of "AI Snake Oil") explicitly advocates for "a robust, independent third-party evaluation system" - directly supporting the statement to "Mandate third-party audits for major AI systems." The auto industry safety testing analogy is his characteristic framing. The "for" vote aligns. Year 2025 is current. Verified.
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Hector Perez Arenas
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· 1mo ago
replying to Arvind Narayanan