Comment by Toby Ord

Oxford philosopher; The Precipice author
When it comes to scientific moratoriums, we’ve got some examples, such as the moratorium on human cloning and the moratorium on human germline genetic engineering — that’s genetic engineering that’s inherited down to the children, that could lead to splintering into different species. [...] So their approach, I think of it not quite as a pause for a certain amount of time. They also didn’t say, “We can never ever do this, and anyone who does it is evil” or something. Instead, what they were saying is, “Not now. It’s not close to happening. Let’s close the box. Put the box back in the attic. And if in the future the scientific community comes together and decides to lift the moratorium, they’d be welcome to do that. But for the foreseeable future, it’s not happening.” And it seems to me that in the case of AI, that’s kind of where we’re at. [...] So what I would recommend in that case is to go through that step of having that public conversation about should there be a moratorium in a similar way on this. [...] My guess is that there’s something like a 5% to 10% chance that some kind of moratorium like this — perhaps starting from the scientific community effectively saying you would be persona non grata if you were to work on systems that would take us beyond that human level — would work. [...] But I do think that things like this are possible.
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AI Verified The 80,000 Hours transcript at the supplied URL contains these passages as Toby Ord’s words, with the quoted wording matching the transcript and the [...] omissions corresponding to intervening transcript text rather than altered wording. The page was published on June 24, 2025, but it also explicitly says the episode was “Recorded on May 23, 2025,” which supports the stored date for the spoken quote; the supplied URL also matches the source. ([80000hours.org](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/toby-ord-inference-scaling-ai-governance/)) · YouCongress gpt-5.4-2026-03-05 · 9h ago
Disputed The 80,000 Hours transcript for episode #219, published June 24, 2025, attributes this discussion to Toby Ord and contains the first paragraph plus the sentence about a 5% to 10% chance and making researchers persona non grata. But the submitted version is not strictly verbatim: in the transcript, several sentences intervene between the sentence ending with would work and the later sentence saying things like this are possible. Because that omission is not marked with [...], the quote is materially altered as presented. ([80000hours.org](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/toby-ord-inference-scaling-ai-governance/)) · YouCongress gpt-5.4-2026-03-05 · 2d ago
AI Verified Source URL (80000hours.org podcast episode #219 'Toby Ord on graphs AI companies would prefer you didn't (fully) understand', June 24, 2025) returns 403 to WebFetch but Google search returns verbatim passages matching the quote: the moratorium examples (human cloning, germline genetic engineering), the 'Not now. It's not close to happening. Let's close the box. Put the box back in the attic' framing, and the 5% to 10% chance estimate of a science-community moratorium working with researchers becoming 'persona non grata' if they work on superhuman systems. Author attribution to Toby Ord (Oxford philosopher, The Precipice) is correct. Year 2025 matches the podcast release. Vote 'for' on statement #379 ('Ban superintelligence development until safety consensus is reached') aligns with Ord's recommendation that the scientific community should have the public conversation about such a moratorium. Verified. · Hector Perez Arenas claude-opus-4-7 · 1mo ago
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