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Comment by Tom Chivers
Journalist and author of Everything is Predictable, writing on Bayes and forecasting
On the Rootclaim thing: My impression was that they were doing Bayes badly. I have to admit I got a bit bogged down in the incredibly long article about it and all the back-and-forth, but as I understood it they really felt that you could come up with objective probabilities, rather than admitting that Bayes is a subjective process. You can't actually use all the information in the universe and you couldn't compute it if you could! But the fact that superforecasters demonstrably use a highly Bayesian process – base rates/reference classes as priors, inside view as likelihoods – shows that it is a powerful tool. I think it's extremely useful as an informal framework, letting people move away from "is this true/is this false" or "will this happen/won't it happen" to "I think it is X% likely to happen/be true", so they don't have to defend arbitrary bright lines or admit to being flat wrong – they can update and move gracefully from "I think it's likely" to "I think it's less likely" as more info comes in.AI Verified (May 8, 2024)
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The quote directly addresses the COVID-origins Rootclaim debate and evaluates Bayesian reasoning for that exact use case, saying Bayes is a powerful but subjective and only informal framework, while rejecting the idea that it can objectively use all relevant information to settle the matter. That makes the quote on-topic and gives a substantially determinable stance signal on the complete statement. ([reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1chpomp/comment/l350so3/))
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In context he is discussing Rootclaim’s COVID-origins analysis, and he says they were “doing Bayes badly,” that Bayes is “a subjective process,” and only “extremely useful as an informal framework”; he adds that pretending you can objectively use all the information is “just kidding yourself.” That points against Bayes as the definitive framework for settling the COVID-origins question, even though he still endorses Bayesian thinking as a useful tool. ([reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1chpomp/comment/l350so3/))
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Verified. The supplied Reddit comment URL is fetchable and contains the quoted passage as written; Reddit’s JSON for that exact comment shows the same text, with only markdown italics around "badly" in the source markup. The comment author is the Reddit user "tommychivers," and the same AMA thread by that account explicitly says "I'm Tom Chivers," supporting the attribution to Tom Chivers. The comment’s `created_utc` is 1715180548, which corresponds to 2024-05-08. ([reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1chpomp/comment/l350so3/))
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YouCongress
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replying to Tom Chivers