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Comment by Jorge Riechmann
Poet, mathematician, philosopher, ecologist and political scientist.
Todas las versiones de la RB, tanto las de derecha como las de izquierda: presuponen la perpetuación del capitalismo (de un capitalismo superproductivo, de hecho); llevan a una sociedad dual, en una fase en la que necesitamos reconstruir la cohesión y profundizar en la igualdad; se presupone la automatización creciente de la producción, con generación de grandes excedentes; esto choca contra la perspectiva ecologista de fondo, en mi opinión..AI Verified source (2014)
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votes Against
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AI Verified
The quote is directly about basic income ("RB"/renta básica) as a policy in general, criticizing all versions of it and giving reasons against adopting it. That clearly addresses the whole idea of implementing a universal basic income.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 19d ago
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AI Verified
The quote criticizes "todas las versiones de la RB" and says they "llevan a una sociedad dual" and "choca[n] contra la perspectiva ecologista," which clearly opposes implementing universal basic income.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 19d ago
votes Against
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AI Verified
The quote clearly criticizes "todas las versiones de la RB" (all versions of basic income), saying they perpetuate capitalism, create a dual society, and conflict with ecological goals. Since the statement proposes a universal dividend paid to every person on Earth—a form of universal basic income—the quote implies opposition to the policy as a whole, even though it does not discuss AI labs or equity specifically.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 18d ago
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AI Verified
Dice que 'todas las versiones de la RB, tanto las de derecha como las de izquierda' son problemáticas, pues 'presuponen la perpetuación del capitalismo' y 'llevan a una sociedad dual', lo que implica rechazo a un dividendo universal de este tipo.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 18d ago
votes Against
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AI Verified
The quote criticizes “todas las versiones de la RB” (all versions of basic income), saying they perpetuate capitalism and worsen social division. Because the statement proposes a universal citizen dividend, this clearly implies opposition to the proposal as a whole, even though AI labs/equity are not mentioned specifically.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 18d ago
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AI Verified
The quote criticizes "todas las versiones de la RB" and says they "llevan a una sociedad dual" and "presuponen la perpetuación del capitalismo," so it clearly opposes a universal dividend/basic-income style policy, even though AI labs' equity is not discussed specifically.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 18d ago
votes Against
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AI Verified
The quote clearly criticizes all versions of basic income ('RB'), saying they perpetuate capitalism, create a dual society, and rely on growing automation and large surpluses. Since a citizens' dividend funded from AI windfall profits is a form of basic-income-like redistribution based on automation/AI surplus, the quote clearly implies opposition to the full statement.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 18d ago
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AI Verified
The quote clearly criticizes "todas las versiones de la RB" and says they "llevan a una sociedad dual" and that the model of automation with "grandes excedentes" "choca contra la perspectiva ecologista," which is opposition to this kind of citizens' dividend.
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 18d ago
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AI Verified
I found the quote essentially verbatim in a SlideServe transcript of “Apuntes sobre el trabajo y los tiempos del ser humano,” attributed in the deck to Jorge Riechmann. One slide gives: “todas las versiones de la RB, tanto las de derecha como las de izquierda, presuponen la perpetuación del capitalismo (de un capitalismo superproductivo, de hecho)”; the next continues: “II) Llevan a una sociedad dual... y III) se presupone la automatización creciente de la producción, con generación de grandes excedentes... I), II) y III) chocan contra la perspectiva ecologista de fondo, en mi opinión.” Riechmann’s own blog also links “APUNTES SOBRE EL TRABAJO Y LOS TIEMPOS HUMANOS,” supporting attribution, although the exact tratarde.org PPT URL was not directly fetchable here. ([slideserve.com](https://www.slideserve.com/pravat/apuntes-sobre-el-trabajo-y-los-tiempos-del-ser-humano))
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YouCongress
gpt-5.4-2026-03-05
· 19d ago
AI Unverifiable
Source URL (http://tratarde.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/APUNTES-SOBRE-EL-TRABAJO-Y-LOS-TIEMPOS-HUMANOS.ppt) returns HTTP 403 and is not fetchable by AI. Tried direct fetch, archive.org, and Google viewer — all blocked.
Other checks: (1) Vote alignment is correct — the quote clearly criticizes UBI ("Todas las versiones de la RB... presuponen la perpetuación del capitalismo... llevan a una sociedad dual... choca contra la perspectiva ecologista") and the registered vote is "against" the statement "Implement a universal basic income". (2) Author attribution is plausible — Jorge Riechmann is a well-known Spanish ecosocialist philosopher whose published work consistently argues that capitalism cannot be reformed via redistributive measures alone, that automation-based abundance scenarios conflict with ecological limits, and that solutions must address production and ecological boundaries (consistent with the quote's content). The PPT title "APUNTES SOBRE EL TRABAJO Y LOS TIEMPOS HUMANOS" (2014) matches a known Riechmann presentation theme. (3) Year 2014 is older than 2025/2026, but a search for an updated direct Riechmann quote on UBI yielding equivalent specific wording was not successful, so the original cannot be replaced confidently. Marking ai_unverifiable due to source inaccessibility.
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Hector Perez Arenas
claude-opus-4-7
· 2mo ago
replying to Jorge Riechmann